Other cities faced this, but I'm from Detroit, where I can see the aftereffects in my life time: white flight, urban blight, lack of businesses moving into the city...
NPR is doing a segement to highlight the anniversary of the riots... Detroit News Press is also covering. Here's an article:
Riot or Rebellion?
Frankly, the article is pissing me off.
[15:09] sm4shy: "When I hear the word 'riot' I just get the chills," said Brenda Dixon, 45, of Detroit. "The word 'riot' just seems inhumane, like people acting savagely."
[15:09] sm4shy: ummm
[15:09] sm4shy: it was?
[15:10] Angelbaby: wtf rebellion
[15:10] sm4shy: i guess its more pc
[15:10] Angelbaby: just blacks trying to make it sound legitimate
[15:10] sm4shy: yeah
[15:11] sm4shy: "White people would say the city was integrated but there were places you know you couldn't go," said Ron Scott, 60, who co-founded the Detroit Black Panther Party in 1968.
[15:11] Angelbaby: soon they will call the rodney king verdict rioting the LA Rebellion
[15:11] sm4shy: yeah...there are places WHITES cant go to
[15:12] Angelbaby: wow look at that graph
[15:12] Angelbaby: whites have basically fled detroit
I know some other cities underwent this. Anyone live in the areas affected? I know the 60s saw a lot of race riots and white-flight in metropolitan areas. Anyone else share with the class?
The race riots of 1967
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America's biggest problem has always been an uneven distribution of the available wealth. Rich white people hording money and what not. Now thanks to the efforts of those rioting in 1967 and Mista Martin Lutha Kaaang you now have greedy rich black people as well.
Over seas you have places like India where the average daily wage could buy you a McChicken (maybe) as well as some prick building a half billion dollar home for him and his wife and three kids to live in.
China is great because the labour is so cheap. They don't mind because they're math wizards and drones. Hong Kong has the highest ratio of people to millionaires in the world. The two have nothing to do with one another.
I'm glad everything is as simple as race and while it's a crime to teach eugenics in schools it's important to remember ...what?
Hey did you know that Alexander Graham Bell and Isaac Newton's theories on eugentics and sterilizing and euthanizing the intellectually feeble are what lead to the creation of Germany's concentration camps? Did you know that Holland, China, and Israel still have eugenics programs in practice today?
So if white people and black people are at that point. That point where it's us or them. Why are there still living black people in America? Stupid thought I guess but one anyone who blames white people for all their problems and (even casually or inadvertently) sanctions crimes against them should consider. So called improved race relations and political correctness (see: vilification of WASPS) are like kinetic energy for that awesome pendulum that won't stop swinging in America between black and white.
Kind of like how Jewish people in Europe used to be at odds with the general population.
Over seas you have places like India where the average daily wage could buy you a McChicken (maybe) as well as some prick building a half billion dollar home for him and his wife and three kids to live in.
China is great because the labour is so cheap. They don't mind because they're math wizards and drones. Hong Kong has the highest ratio of people to millionaires in the world. The two have nothing to do with one another.
I'm glad everything is as simple as race and while it's a crime to teach eugenics in schools it's important to remember ...what?
Hey did you know that Alexander Graham Bell and Isaac Newton's theories on eugentics and sterilizing and euthanizing the intellectually feeble are what lead to the creation of Germany's concentration camps? Did you know that Holland, China, and Israel still have eugenics programs in practice today?
So if white people and black people are at that point. That point where it's us or them. Why are there still living black people in America? Stupid thought I guess but one anyone who blames white people for all their problems and (even casually or inadvertently) sanctions crimes against them should consider. So called improved race relations and political correctness (see: vilification of WASPS) are like kinetic energy for that awesome pendulum that won't stop swinging in America between black and white.
Kind of like how Jewish people in Europe used to be at odds with the general population.
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Re: The race riots of 1967
Detroit's really kind of unique to the particular situation that it's in, though. Right about the time that the graph shows white people starting to skip town is when the auto manufacturers started to abandon Detroit. However, back then, they weren't building in Mexico; they were building over in Flint, because the taxes were lower. Then the auto industry shuts down plants in Detroit and the decrease in population causes tax revenues to fall off. And then you have riots and desegregation busing in public schools, more white people leave. I-75 and I-94 got built around the 1950's, too, which made it as easy for people in the suburbs to get into Detroit for work as it was for manufactured goods to get out of Detroit; therefore service industries ended up closing shop because their customers were now somewhere else.smash wrote:[15:12] Angelbaby: wow look at that graph
[15:12] Angelbaby: whites have basically fled detroit
So, by the 1980 mark, the city's down thirty or more percent on its population from 1950, which causes real estate values to drop through the floor, which means the city can't collect as much in property taxes per address, which means even less for the total, which means the schools are going to end up being shit, because the local taxes end up going preferentially to police forces due to increasing violent crime rates, which can be equated in virtually any locality in the United States to poverty. So, by the time 1985 rolls around, Detroit's reputation as the murder capital of the United States is so well-known, it even makes its way into a Corey Feldman comment in Goonies.
What's happened to Detroit already is just an Economics 101 question. The city's future is probably another one, where you've got the city balancing its budget, rebuilding the waterfront, attracting white-collar companies to build offices in the city, casinos, new stadiums for a good baseball team and a second-rate football team, and the city's putting money into demolishing areas that probably should have been knocked over twenty or more years ago. Essentially, the city's probably trying to attract upper-middle class (very potentially white) people to move back into city limits, thereby boosting tax revenues, yada-yada-yada.
Anyway, I don't think the 12th Street Riot (ultimately the result of silly laws outlawing the sale of alcohol on Sundays) were to blame for white flight nearly as much as easy transportation to and from the suburbs, and that this isn't a rebellion, because I highly doubt that the 7,200 people arrested during the riot could have told you why the hell they were rioting.
Interesting facts about Detroit residents from the 2000 Census:
- 69.6 percent of people 25 and over are high school graduates.
- Only 11 percent of residents 25 and over have bachelor's degrees or higher.
- In the city of Detroit, there are 336,428 households with a median value of $63,600.
- 26.1% of residents live below the poverty line.
Umgawa,
I am thoroughly impressed with your lists of facts an information contained within your comment. I don't dispute any of the assertions you've made, nor squabble over any of your figures.
However, I want to point out something that doesn't show up in statistics, that I can attest to as living in Detroit suburbs all of my life. The white flight is very real. And by that I mean, there is a concerted effort of us versus them between the white/suburbs and black/city.
It's very tragic, I have been both guilty of adopting that mentality and fighting against it, time and time again. Mayor Coleman A Young was as about as corrupt a mayor you will ever find in American history, but the citizens loved him...in large part... because the suburbs hated him. He fostered an attitude, that our current mayor Kwame Kilpatrick has nourished of a 'we will stand against the white suburbs'. This has been seen during the question about funding for the Detroit Zoo, campaign rhetoric accusing one of the wealthiest suburbs of being unsafe, and general banter of opinion that what goes on in Detroit is none of our business.
The reality of the situation is... we have very little downtown nightlife for metropolitan Detroit. White suburbanites go into the city, for a concert, sporting event or fund raisers, and bolt out of the city from those major expressways as quickly as they can. Meals and relaxing social gatherings can occur outside of city proper. Conversely, and tragically, this creates situations where blacks attending functions in suburbs stand out as a sore thumb, and whites attending functions in the city stand out as an equal sore thumb.
I am thoroughly impressed with your lists of facts an information contained within your comment. I don't dispute any of the assertions you've made, nor squabble over any of your figures.
However, I want to point out something that doesn't show up in statistics, that I can attest to as living in Detroit suburbs all of my life. The white flight is very real. And by that I mean, there is a concerted effort of us versus them between the white/suburbs and black/city.
It's very tragic, I have been both guilty of adopting that mentality and fighting against it, time and time again. Mayor Coleman A Young was as about as corrupt a mayor you will ever find in American history, but the citizens loved him...in large part... because the suburbs hated him. He fostered an attitude, that our current mayor Kwame Kilpatrick has nourished of a 'we will stand against the white suburbs'. This has been seen during the question about funding for the Detroit Zoo, campaign rhetoric accusing one of the wealthiest suburbs of being unsafe, and general banter of opinion that what goes on in Detroit is none of our business.
The reality of the situation is... we have very little downtown nightlife for metropolitan Detroit. White suburbanites go into the city, for a concert, sporting event or fund raisers, and bolt out of the city from those major expressways as quickly as they can. Meals and relaxing social gatherings can occur outside of city proper. Conversely, and tragically, this creates situations where blacks attending functions in suburbs stand out as a sore thumb, and whites attending functions in the city stand out as an equal sore thumb.
This sounds exactly like St. Louis. We are right up there as #1 or 2 with Detroit for crime and it seems like the city is dead and will never reclaim its important status.smash wrote:
The reality of the situation is... we have very little downtown nightlife for metropolitan Detroit. White suburbanites go into the city, for a concert, sporting event or fund raisers, and bolt out of the city from those major expressways as quickly as they can. Meals and relaxing social gatherings can occur outside of city proper. Conversely, and tragically, this creates situations where blacks attending functions in suburbs stand out as a sore thumb, and whites attending functions in the city stand out as an equal sore thumb.
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Evestay wrote:This sounds exactly like St. Louis. We are right up there as #1 or 2 with Detroit for crime and it seems like the city is dead and will never reclaim its important status.smash wrote:
The reality of the situation is... we have very little downtown nightlife for metropolitan Detroit. White suburbanites go into the city, for a concert, sporting event or fund raisers, and bolt out of the city from those major expressways as quickly as they can. Meals and relaxing social gatherings can occur outside of city proper. Conversely, and tragically, this creates situations where blacks attending functions in suburbs stand out as a sore thumb, and whites attending functions in the city stand out as an equal sore thumb.
If we quarantine East St. Louis we might.
GOD, I hate East St. Louis.
From Next Gingrich, http://www.humanevents.com/article.php? ... s&id=21797 :
On that show, I had singled out the Detroit school system as a disaster that is crippling younger Americans. The Detroit school system graduated 22% of its entering freshman on time, according to a report funded by the Gates Foundation. In a more recent report, that number improved to about 25%. This means 75% of the entering freshman were being cheated.
This means that three out of every four young people in Detroit were being denied the opportunity by the Detroit public schools to participate in the information age and get world-class jobs.
The true human tragedy is that an African-American male who drops out of high school faces a 72% unemployment rate in his 20s and a 60% possibility of going to jail by his mid-30s.
The failure of large, expensive, unionized, bureaucratic systems is a threat to our young people, to our communities and to our country.
The crisis is not one of money.
The crisis is a failure of responsibility, accountability, honesty and determination to protect the children from the bureaucracies that are crippling their lives.
The crisis is a simple failure of citizenship.
The Detroit bureaucratic school system is expensive and large -- it is the largest single employer in the city of Detroit (the city government is the second-largest employer).
The policies of Detroit have driven it from 1,800,000 people in 1950 to decline to 950,000 people today.
Detroit was the highest median income in America in 1950 of major cities. Today it has declined to 61st in median income.
In both population and relative income, Detroit is a case study in policy failure.
Employment in Detroit, 1940-2000
Detroit: 1950 vs. Today
*Using 2000 U.S. Census figures
The iron grip of bad government continues to cripple the city. As one study points out: Of the city's 25 biggest employers, state, county and city governments provide 40% of jobs.
The city of Detroit has a ratio of residents per city employee of 50. Compare this to 68 for Chicago, 78 for Houston, 108 for Los Angeles and 223 for Indianapolis ["Privatization: The Motor City's Renaissance Engine," Michael LaFaive, Winter, 2001, Mackinac Center for Public Policy].
The tragedy of our elephant versus donkey model of politics and our red versus blue mentality of polarization is that no one can think and speak creatively about turning around Detroit and Michigan (the state hit hardest economically, except for Louisiana because of the Hurricane Katrina).
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US gov should impose a 1000% tariff on any products manufactured in countries without proper labour legislation.
Basically people are getting rich right now by utilizing what amounts to legal slave labour. This is at the expense of the lingering middle class which even a 12 year old will tell you is the spine of any economy.
Unfortunately Detroit may turn out to be a flagship city for the US.
Basically people are getting rich right now by utilizing what amounts to legal slave labour. This is at the expense of the lingering middle class which even a 12 year old will tell you is the spine of any economy.
Unfortunately Detroit may turn out to be a flagship city for the US.
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Re: The race riots of 1967
As they say here in Northern Virginia: "Want to see the 3rd world? Cross the Potomac," (implying you'll be in DC).
DC had it's own riots after the MLK murder.
DC had it's own riots after the MLK murder.
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